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<tr><td align='left'>N.C. District:</td><td align='left'>No. 2</td></tr>
<tr><td align='left'>Worker:</td><td align='left'>T. Pat Matthews</td></tr>
<tr><td align='left'>No. Words:</td><td align='left'>1050</td></tr>
<tr><td align='left'>Subject:</td><td align='left'>WILLIE McCULLOUGH</td></tr>
<tr><td align='left'>Person Interviewed:</td><td align='left'>Willie McCullough</td></tr>
<tr><td align='left'>Editor:</td><td align='left'>G.L. Andrews</td></tr>
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<p>[TR: Date stamp: OCT 23 1937 (unclear)]<br/></p>
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<h2><SPAN name="WILLIE_McCULLOUGH" id="WILLIE_McCULLOUGH"></SPAN>WILLIE McCULLOUGH</h2>
<h4>8 McKee Street, Raleigh, North Carolina. Age 68 years.</h4>
<p>"I was born in Darlington County, South Carolina,
the 14th of June 1869. My mother was named Rilla McCullough
and my father was named Marion McCullough. I
remember them very well and many things they told me
that happened during the Civil War. They belonged to a
slave owner named Billy Cannon who owned a large plantation
near Marion, South Carolina. The number of
slaves on the plantation from what they told me was
about fifty. Slaves were quartered in small houses
built of logs. They had plenty of rough food and clothing.
They were looked after very well in regard to their
health, because the success of the master depended on
the health of his slaves. A man can't work a sick
horse or mule. A slave occupied the same place on the
plantation as a mule or horse did, that is a male slave.
Some of the slave women were looked upon by the slave
owners as a stock raiser looks upon his brood sows, that
is from the standpoint of production. If a slave woman
had children fast she was considered very valuable because
slaves were valuable property.<span class="pagenum"><SPAN name="Page_78" id="Page_78">[Pg 78]</SPAN></span></p>
<p>"There was classes of slavery. Some of the half-white
and beautiful young women who were used by the
marster and his men friends or who was the sweetheart of
the marster only, were given special privileges. Some
of 'em worked very little. They had private quarters
well fixed up and had a great influence over the marster.
Some of these slave girls broke up families by getting
the marster so enmeshed in their net that his wife, perhaps
an older woman, was greatly neglected. Mother and
grandmother tole me that they were not allowed to pick
their husbands.</p>
<p>"Mother tole me that when she became a woman at
the age of sixteen years her marster went to a slave
owner near by and got a six-foot nigger man, almost an
entire stranger to her, and told her she must marry him.
Her marster read a paper to them, told them they were
man and wife and told this negro he could take her to a
certain cabin and go to bed. This was done without
getting her consent or even asking her about it. Grandmother
said that several different men were put to her
just about the same as if she had been a cow or sow.
The slave owners treated them as if they had been common
animals in this respect.</p>
<p>"Mother said she loved my father before the surrender
and just as soon as they were free they married. Grandmother
was named Luna Williams. She belonged to a planter<span class="pagenum"><SPAN name="Page_79" id="Page_79">[Pg 79]</SPAN></span>
who owned a large plantation and forty slaves adjoining
Mr. Cannon's plantation where mother and father stayed.
My grandmother on my mother's side lived to be 114 years
old, so they have tole me.</p>
<p>"I ran away from home at the age of twelve years and
went to Charleston, South Carolina. I worked with a family
there as waitin' boy for one year. I then went to
Savannah, Ga. I had no particular job and I hoboed everywhere
I went. I would wait all day by the side of the
railroad to catch a train at night. I rode freight
trains and passenger trains. I rode the blind baggage
on passenger trains and the rods on freight trains. The
blind baggage is the car between the mail car and the
engine. The doors are on the side and none at the end.
I hoboed on to Miami over the Florida East Coast Railroad.
I next went from Miami to Memphis, Tenn. after
staying there a few days and working with a contractor,
I again visited Charleston, S.C. I had been there only
two days when I met some Yankees from Minnesota. They
prevailed on me to go home with them, promising if I would
do so they would teach me a trade. I went with them. We
all hoboed. We were halted at the Blue Ridge mountains
but we got by without going to jail. We then went to
N.J. From N.J. to Chicago, Ill., then into Milwaukee,<span class="pagenum"><SPAN name="Page_80" id="Page_80">[Pg 80]</SPAN></span>
Wis., then on into Minneapolis, Minn. Many towns and cities
I visited on this trip, I did not know where I was. My Yankee
companions looked out for me. They taught me the trade
of making chairs and other rustic furniture. They taught
me 164 ways of making different pieces of furniture. I
spent 11 years in Minnesota but during that time I visited
the South once every three years, spending several days in
the county of my birth. Mother and father farmed all their
lives and they often begged me to settle down but the
wanderlust had me and for 30 years I travelled from place
to place. Even while in Minnesota I did not stay in
Minneapolis all the time. I visited most every town in
the state during the eleven years I stayed there and made
hobo trips into most of the adjoining states.</p>
<p>"The main Yankee who taught me the trade was Joe
Burton. He and the gang helped me to get food until I
learned the trade well enough so I could make a living
working at it.</p>
<p>"I have made a lot of money making and selling
rustic furniture, but now I am getting old. I am not able
to work as I used too. Not long ago I made a trip from
Raleigh to Charleston, S.C., but the trip was different
from the old days. I hitch-hiked the entire distance. I
rode with white folks. On one leg of the trip of over
200 miles I rode with a rich young man and his two pals.<span class="pagenum"><SPAN name="Page_81" id="Page_81">[Pg 81]</SPAN></span>
They had a fruit jar full of bad whiskey. He got about
drunk, ran into a stretch of bad road at a high rate of
speed, threw me against the top of his car and injured my
head. I am not over it yet.</p>
<p>"I quit the road in 1924. My last trip was from
Raleigh, N.C. to Harrisburg, Penn. and return. I have
made my home in Raleigh ever since. Done settled down, too
ole to ramble anymore."</p>
<p>LE</p>
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